80% AR 15 Poly Lower with Jig - $100

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Lower come with jig and all drill bits need to complete the project. Lifetime warranty on Lower. New polymer, 80 percent AR15 lower receivers are made from the finest materials that guarantee top notch quality AND durability not found in aluminum lower receivers.
Life time warranty when you purchase a Jig and lower purchase.
No FFL required. Must complete lower with jig provided. All you need is a hand drill all bit included
Presale pricing will ship on 8/8/2013. Opening week pricing good Midnight 7/15/2013.
For more information about assembling fire arms from the ATF.

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This "vendor" has his hands

This "vendor" has his hands full with his rockethub garbage. He'll happily take your money and you won't here from him again. Turn around and don't look back......

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I actually ordered one, after

I actually ordered one, after months of waiting I asked for a refund...! Yes, I actually got it, I was shocked!

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Lee, if you ask me your

Lee, if you ask me your fortunate.

The fact they have blamed their woes on a CNC machines catching fire, numerous CNC programmers inability to program the machines, broken crucibles. Questionable aluminum being forged etc etc...

Their own admission that they don't have a clue what they got into is evident, admission to deleting Facebook posts from aggravated funders is never a good thing. Mentioning time after time they aren't a scam is always a red flag. They are careful in their choice of wording when making excuses, the term 'gift' being used should worry those that gave these people money (Is this an outright Ponzi show or just people biting off more than they can chew? That remains to be seen, but when money comes in and barely anything goes out, speaks for itself)

I'd like to see them show the firefighter/police report showing they responded to an out of control CNC machine fire or a picture of their broken crucible. I'll tell you one thing for sure, in the event that product goes out the door, if I ordered one of their lowers (which I wouldn't do) and it arrived in the mail, the first thing I'd do is make an appointment to get the product X-rayed to see if there's a porosity issue or slag induced issues.

After all, they say upfront they have no intent of X-raying themselves either in individual spot checking or checking every one looking for manufacturing defects.

The last thing I'll say is; Do you really want a product made by an inexperienced company, can you trust this product inches from your head from blowing up. I mean no disrespect to those that ordered from these guys and I hope you all get refunded or get your merchandise, but to any on the fence considering buying from these funded deals. Use common sense and buy from established sources that are known to build a safe product.

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signal to noise is a bit much

signal to noise is a bit much here.. but 'jigless' polly lowers are ~100-70$ a pop.
$65 at http://aresarmor.com/ did they take people's money and not ship product .. yes, why were people throwing money at them, they hadn't raised prices as much as the rest of the companies did. they are trying to make good on the orders, but i can understand if people got/feel burned.
$65 at http://www.eparmory.com/ from personal experience, they ship quick. easy to complete, jig helpful, but not needed.

be very very careful with threading in the buffer, enough said.

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Buyer Beware! I funded their

Buyer Beware!

I funded their 80% AR receiver rockethub.com project. It is more than 30 days overdue from the longest out promise date without any production. Worst part is they still haven't finished programming for their CNC nor do they have the aluminum stock ready. Come to find out, they are not making billet receivers from graded stock but are attempting to pour blocks of inhouse recycled aluminum scrap. There is some pretty disappointing in their "update" posts.
Sure wish I hadn't been suckered into it.

TheGunVault did a rocket hub project.... http://www.rockethub.com/projects/29659-ar-15-80-lower
Their updates on their Facebook page.... https://www.facebook.com/thegun.vaultllc

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Djcubinlinx's picture

Ever get your lower and Jig?

Ever get your lower and Jig?

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55 and im in. But there is no

55 and im in. But there is no way i will pay twice what a complete poly lower costs just for the good ol do it yourself feeling.

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It seems a poly 80% would be

It seems a poly 80% would be a good way to learn how to mill a lower.

Does anyone have comments regarding the LOWER/JIG or the SELLER?

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mgosr's picture

WAY too expensive, but it is

WAY too expensive, but it is a neat idea.

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Hate to burst your bubble but

Hate to burst your bubble but records are kept by the FFL for 25 years. If the FFL goes out of business before those 25 years then ALL records are sent to the ATF and kept for ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lFdLaYcDNQ

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Oh, and I also think

Oh, and I also think LordofWar is JohnMoses lol

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If I'm a criminal looking to

If I'm a criminal looking to buy a gun, i just buy one privately face to face in state...I'm not going to machine myself a lower lol...remember I'm a criminal and I'm looking for the easiest way to acquire a firearm. I love everything about being able to make my own firearm without government telling me so. This product is as american as it gets and I think its great.

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These forums get cooler every

These forums get cooler every time I read 'em..
I'd say the coolness in the last 7 months has increased exponentially.

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LordofWar's picture

Buy this 80% Poly Lower...it

Buy this 80% Poly Lower...it is awesome, and everyone should do it instead of buying a high quality Forged one. If you don't believe me....ask these guys here...they know everything.....

I'm out of here....

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Such a douche

Such a douche

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I'm not trying to be rude, I

I'm not trying to be rude, I just have a question for the dealer who posted this. Why should somebody choose this over a $120 complete lower? I just don't see any appeal whatsoever for this product when you can get a complete polymer lower for less that it would cost to complete this.

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LordofWar's picture

There is only one reason to

There is only one reason to own an 80% lower......it is for people who are not qualified to own one legally....especially a Poly one. A billet I may understand someone wanting to make a custom lower etc.

No matter what anyone says, 4473's should be run on all guns. It's the right way to do it. The ATF doesn't keep these records for more than 30 days, unlike what others will claim.

I would say 90% of people that buy 80% lowers are doing it in some form of dishonest act....

No thanks.....cover your ass, and don't give the Liberals another reason for tighter gun control....which is EXACTLY what this does....

If it is illegal to own in your town, or state , then NOT filling out a 4473 is still illegal......people think you can "get around" local laws ......and that is not true...it will land you in Federal prison.

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Not true, if you are in PRK,

Not true, if you are in PRK, one DROS 4473 transaction can cost $100 upwards to $125 just on paperwork alone. 80% lowers allows average people to be able to afford to scratch build their firearm. If you think background check is a working assurance against criminals, perhaps you should look closer at Operation Fast & Furious.

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Hate to burst your bubble but

Hate to burst your bubble but records are kept by the FFL for 25 years. If the FFL goes out of business before those 25 years then ALL records are sent to the ATF and kept for ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lFdLaYcDNQ

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mechanic's picture

I wrote about this loop hole

I wrote about this loop hole to senator Diane Feinstein saying that once she is so much in gun control this is really a thing to be concern. The response was like she isn't interested as I live not in her State and my letter will be put in trash.

People who buy 80% lowers can work for drug cartels that in turn use these unregistered firearms to butcher thousands people in México. There are shops in CA that for 50$ allow to put 80% lower in cnc machine, press the button and make it complete. No any work. Cartel members can buy dozens 80% lowers and send them to México.

It should not be like this.

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LordofWar's picture

Yeah, she doesn't care if you

Yeah, she doesn't care if you are from any state..LOL. She is a turd. I guess if you live in California and want a pistol, this is the only way to go...not that an AR-Pistol is a smart way to go.... I just think a Polymer lower is junk, and buying a 80% Junk lower to build an AR Pistol is about as dumb as you can get. Of course I will be told how wrong my opinion is, because nobody is allowed an opinion here.

Comments regarding moderation decisions or activity on the forum is not allowed.

http://www.slickguns.com/content/faq Offical comments policy

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mostholycerebus's picture

Wow, couldnt disagree more.

Wow, couldnt disagree more. I know lots of law abiding American citizens who buy 80% lowers, as a fun project, or because they believe that until convicted of something our Govt doesnt need to be watching everyone who wants to utilize a constitutional right.

Smacks of Durbin saying only Govt can decide who is a Journalist, and thus guaranteed 1st amendment rights.

Nothing about building an 80% lower 'gets around' any laws. That would be illegal.

Plenty of instances of Govt using their lists to go door to door and confiscate, usually when you want self-protection the most. Readers are encouraged to research and educate themselves.

Your "90% of buyers" number is completely contrived. To build one of these reliably you need a light machine shop. For comparison, some guy built an AK out of a shovel with hand tools.

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LordofWar's picture

No, I said that I understood

No, I said that I understood building or machining a Billet.....I stated that buying a 80% Poly lower was for people getting around laws. You can complete an 80% lower with a hand drill and dremmel.....there is no "Light machinery" needed.

I stand by my original comments that there is no viable reason to buy an 80% lower unless you are A) Making a custom engraved Billet or B) Curtailing the law in some form.

I prefer to stay legit. Last thing I want is a gun injuring someone that wasn't 4473'd......Cover Your Ass is my policy.

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mostholycerebus's picture

Again, nothing about building

Again, nothing about building an 80% lower without going through an FFL and filling a 4473 government form isnt 'legit'. It is completely legal, and done often, by law abiding american citizens utilizing their rights, despite your attempt to color it otherwise.

Sorry man, but you sound like one step away from being a FUD. That philosophy is why Reagan got away with banning new full-auto weapons, despite them being used in crimes twice in over 50 years. "They Are Just Used By Criminals". Its why 'assault weapons' are going to be eventually banned for looking scary: The widespread belief that "90% of those are used illegally for crimes" and "real gun owners only need double-barrel shotguns".

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LordofWar's picture

First off, I never said 90%

First off, I never said 90% were used in crimes...but to think people who are denied a FOID or shot down in a background check, with prior offenses etc do not buy 80% lowers is foolish. I guess being naive to what really goes down in this country is one way to go about i things. I wish there were no criminals, shady gun deals, and backdoor deals made.....but it is a reality. I am not "siding" with Liberals or gun grabbers at all, just pointing out the glaring facts that gun owners are sometimes their own worst enemies. Look at ammo supply a few months ago.....without even a mention of ammo bans, every ho-dunk who gets his news from Facebook bought up every round available driving the cost up for everyone else.....was that guy smart? I just have the opinion that buying a 80% lower is stupid save for the guy with a machine shop that wants to finish his custom Billet lower........at which point every single person who disagrees with me on this post is wrong, because this is a Polymer lower.....so, I guess that argument is right out of the window (unless a special Light Machinery is needed for drilling holes in plastic)

So now everyone on this post is telling me that people are buying 80% poly lowers to "feel like they have accomplished something"? come on....... that dog don't hunt. So now you are left with the guy who buys an 80% Poly lower.........A) A california guy who wants an AR-pistol or B) Someone who cant get a $59 complete one C) Someone who thinks the Government is out to get him, whilst wearing Tin foil on his head. So you can tell e that "most people" buy 80% Poly lowers to feel Superhuman for drilling a couple holes all you want......I don't buy it.

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"A) A california guy who

"A) A california guy who wants an AR-pistol or B) Someone who cant get a $59 complete one C) Someone who thinks the Government is out to get him, whilst wearing Tin foil on his head."

a) - I'm stuck in California. All of the gunshops here mark up their prices significantly. If I buy online and transfer through a shop, the CHEAPEST shop in the area still charges a $40 transfer fee, plus a $35 DROS fee, plus state sales tax on the purchase price of the gun. In the end, that "$59 complete" receiver costs me an extra $81 to transfer, requires a 10-day wait, and will be registered in a radically anti-gun state.

b) Please show me where I can get a $59 lower receiver. Please. I haven't seen prices that low in years. The best I've seen has been about $100 for a blemished part (+S&H of course). It was even worse in July. Even if you can point to a $59 lower online, you have to add in S&H and dealer transfer fees. The best gun shop I ever found back in WV still charged a $35 transfer fee (but no special taxes or fees like here in CA). I'd rather have a $85 80% shipped to me without gov oversight than $100+ at a shop with paperwork.

c) Do NOT dismiss the people who wish to stay under the government radar. Look at everything that has happened lately, there have been how many scandals? Fast & Furious, the IRS discrimination, the NSA/Prism thing just to name a few ... The number of people who "wear tin foil" has always been high among gun owners, and has probably increased quite a bit recently.

d) I have a beloved family member who is very frugal (too frugal to buy an AR for herself). It would be illegal for me to buy one for her, but I can legally give her an 80% and all the parts.

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Aim4PigsnJigs's picture

Killed it on that one Chief.

Killed it on that one Chief. Un-fuck-with-able.

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MajorMayhem's picture

Herp-a-derp "Why would anyone

Herp-a-derp
"Why would anyone want to own gun part or feature 'X' unless they were a criminal or looking to commit a crime? Why would anyone object to a gun registry and/or traceable firearms unless they are a criminal or going to ignore the law in the future? Why would anyone want a gun that does X . . .etc."
Hardly- "Un-f*#k-with-able"

So have you already donated to Manchin &/or Feinstein's re-election funds? That's the exact train of logic they use.

Aside: Do you use that same user ID on other forums or are you just trying to make gun owners look bad? You're not one of the Stormfront types are you?

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Aim4PigsnJigs's picture

Wow dude. You're delusional.

Wow dude. You're delusional. Wake up. If I had any priors which made it impossible to pass a back round check and legally purchase a rifle, the FIRST thing I'd be looking into is 80% lowers.

The fact that there are MANY out there thinking and DOING the same thing is just a fact of life. If you want to live in LaLa land and dream that only hobbyist/enthusiasts are buying 80's, you need to pinch yourself cause you're dreaming Pal.

I believe in back round checks for all newly manufactured gun purchases, meaning I'm fine with the way things are now. But to ship firearms to anyone's door who can "choose to buy" them just because they're "unfinished" is nothing short of a loophole that's bound to be closed. Quite frankly it's one of the most ridiculous (and genius) concepts I've seen and to witness such an empty following only concretes the sheep like culture of America. Everyone getting on board the imaginary freedom train and claiming bullshit reasons like "personal satisfaction" and all the other fluff I've read here. The good does not outweigh the bad. Even the purchase price is flipped. What's hilarious is how they've got you assholes chomping at the bits to pay more money for less, insinuating some false anonymity with this "under the radar" guise-which for now, it is... It's still a goddamn joke and so are those defending the desecration of common fucking sense. It's a marketing scheme designed around an enormous loophole with a short expiration date, fed on fear and ignorance. The FACT remains It ends up being a weapon regardless so why should it be any different? If you don't have the common sense to figure that out, that's fine... That won't change the outcome. Just ask Cody R. Wilson. He got shut down QUICK!

As far as my ID, what difference does it make? Do you bitch about gun violence in movies and gangster rap? My name has ZERO effect on ANYTHING involving gun owners and the fact that you'd make such an assumption proves you're a even bigger idiot than initially thought.

One last "Un-f*#k-with-able" point: If major gun makers have to follow laws and regulations to record and register the "manufacture" of new firearms, why shouldn't those of 80%ers?

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The fact that it comes with a

The fact that it comes with a jig is what set you off, isn't it?

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Aim4PigsnJigs's picture

lol, I found that genuinely

lol, I found that genuinely funny. No, ignorance sets me off, but besides that, I love a quality jig, ones that actually work and produce. It's not until they become useless and start costing you money that they should be removed from service and used for target practice.

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LordofWar's picture

Just a difference of

Just a difference of opinions...I mean, do you honestly think I am "Painting" etc? I own a dozen Ar-15's.......so yeah, I am really anti-gun....LOL

Look, just because I choose to do things the way I do them, and have a different opinion isn't a reason to jump on my case....especially since I wasn't even talking to you in the first place.

If you want to get an 80% and finish it off yourself, with ZERO benefit...go ahead, but when someone asks a simple question, and I answer it....try not to jump down my throat for doing so.........

I find it funny when people defend the 2nd amendment with all they have, but think nothing of my 1st amendment rights.....hypocrisy at it's finest.

I value your opinion on 80% lowers.......have a great day.

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MajorMayhem's picture

Like Cerberus I also disagree

Like Cerberus I also disagree and I and others have spent a significant amount of time researching it and discussing it with LEOs, DAs, and even a few retired members of the intel' community.

"The ATF doesn't keep these records for more than 30 days, unlike what others will claim." Yea they [read: BATFE] might not, but remember the FISA requirements that acted as a safeguard governing inter-agency information exchanges and data aggregation/collections were eviscerated by the first patriot act. No one can safely say that said information is purged anymore, any data transmitted or stored electronically is share-able beyond its original intent, easily recoverable, transmittable and likely is (without the agency, as a whole, collecting it actually having knowledge of it).

Lastly, are you John Moses? Your posts really read like his -No offence meant, just curious.

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Benman's picture

He will deny it, but it is

He will deny it, but it is him

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LordofWar's picture

No I am not John

No I am not John Moses....this tool Benman thinks so , so I just mess with him...LOL......it's pretty funny because he obviously has an obsession with him..

And again.....I value your opinion, and know there is a group of guys who like to mess around on the Milll, and think the Government is coming after them...I get it. I don't trust the government either....but why would any law abiding citizen even cre if the BATF knew they had a gun? It just seems odd to me that people think these things out.......somehow out of 350 million guns in the US, the BATF is going to pick on one guy is not realistic.....

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wowza...talk about out of

wowza...talk about out of hand comments. I can't remember the last time I saw so many mod/admin edited comments.

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LordofWar's picture

Benman is John Moses....Out

Benman is John Moses....Out of all his comments Benman didn't make a single comment about guns...imagine that!. I don't mind all the other nuckelheads pounding their chest, but that guy is just an argument machine, and he has this odd obsession with this John Moses guy.......from the sounds of it he's pretty heartbroken the guy isn't around anymore.

Its one thing to add to a discussion , or have an opinion but Benman is just absolutely out to start problems.....maybe he is really John Moses?

Sounds like maybe he is John Moses trying to act like he isn't by calling me John Moses? Makes sense to me.....

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You apparently don't

You apparently don't understand how the Bill of Rights actually works. Its to protect the citizenry from the government. Your 1st Amendment rights are intact. You can stand on a PUBLIC street corner with a sign all you want advocating or opposing any position, or even on your own PRIVATE property.

Being told that you are incorrect on someone else's PRIVATELY owned internet forum isn't a violation of your 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech. You are free to go someplace else and be wrong all you want.

80% lowers are for people who like building things, or in the case of CA residents legally building firearms that are otherwise unobtainable due to poorly worded state laws. The financial advantage from building your own 80% receiver is usually non existant, but the sense of accomplishment is worth something. As far as people who are obtaining firearms illegally through building 80% receveirs into complete guns, it's a much smaller percentage then criminals who either steal firearms, knowingly buy stolen firearms, or otherwise illegally obtain firearms they couldn't legally purchase themselves. As a general rule building your own guns isn't cheap and isn't something you do in a hurry. If that were the case then unregulated blackpowder guns would be all the rage with people who cant legally buy firearms via background checks.

You may own a dozen ARs, but you are anti-freedom when it comes to other people's choices and how they live their lives apparently.

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LordofWar's picture

Privately owned Public domain

Privately owned Public domain huh? Thats a new one. I hope you aren't a lawyer or a teacher....LOL

Anyway Mr Lawyer, it was an off the cuff comment, don't take everything you hear so seriously....My point is that everything on here is someones opinion. You have yours and I have mine.....if you don't like it, you are allowed to be offended, but I wouldn't sweat the small stuff so much.

I am thinking the sense of accomplishment from drilling a few holes in a poly lower is for someone who hasn't finished Gunsmithing 101, or the 3rd grade...so if thats the level they are at, then I guess they have other issues to deal with, and I shouldn't be so hard on them.

And I am sorry you feel I am "anti-freedom" for thinking someone is stupid for buying a $80 80% Polymer lower......yeah.....that sounds anti-freedom to me (rolls eyes)...

Take care Professor obvious.

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Your anti-freedom stance is

Your anti-freedom stance is evident by your opposition to private sales and unregulated 80% receviers.

If you dont belive that internet domains are private property, feel free to post something prohibited by the owners of the forum. The fact they allow conditional use of their forum that they pay for and maintain to the general public under specific conditions, does not make it public property. They will adjust your post and access to their property as they see fit.

Have you ever built ANYTHING? Completing 80% receivers is considerably easier then a 0% for the guy who doesnt have a mill in their garage or access to one through work or a friend.

The only point that I have picked up from reading your posts are

A. you are uninformed and opinionated, and don't let your ignorance slow you down from expressing your opnions.

B. you change the focus of your arguement from "all firearm sales need a 4473" to "everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I don't think 80% are worth while" when it's pretty clear you're not winning the hearts and minds of other users.

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You sound like a Mod...just

You sound like a Mod...just sayin' Let the guy have an opinion. You can have yours, and everyone can play nice. Its a websight not a national security situation.......LOL. Chillax bro.

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MajorMayhem's picture

Member for 8hrs and 29

Member for 8hrs and 29 minutes.
"LOL" "Just Sayin" & ellipses everywhere.
Three posts total and comes into to defend LoW.
;)

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Benman's picture

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yes, I'm new. I notices 65

yes, I'm new. I notices 65 posts and created an account to comment. I am not defending anyone. Just have an open mind to what people say. I have been looking at deals here for a long time, and get a lot from everyones input, but when people gang up on one guy who has a different opinion, I just wanted to say something. Is that against the rules are something? Do I need to be a member longer to make a comment? I don't like to listen to just one opinion before I buy something... sorry that bothers you bro.

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well put. lord of war is a

well put. lord of war is a complete

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LordofWar's picture

Not really anything correct

Not really anything correct in what you said...but thanks for your opinion...have a great day.

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mostholycerebus's picture

There are no 4473's on an 80%

There are no 4473's on an 80% lower for the ATF to photocopy and enter into their databases. For people in some more restricted states, FFL fees can be MORE than the price difference you mention. This is also the ONLY way someone in Cali can build an AR pistol (IIRC) because their FFLs have to receive stripped lowers as "Rifle" when transferred. Plus, its kinda cool to make your own.

For this item, there will be a CC transaction record, and of course we know USPS keeping their own records. I guess you could buy a Visa gift card with cash and use UPS or FedEx?

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Some folks are willing to pay

Some folks are willing to pay more to not have to go through an FFL. $120 plus paperwork costs vs $80+labor. You don't need to register an 80% and can have it delivered directly to your door. Even in California.

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Legal gun owner here; just

Legal gun owner here; just got my CC permit in the mail a few weeks ago in fact. I own more than a handful of weapons, all legally acquired through an FFL or private sale.

I have purchased three 80 percent lowers within the last few months. Like others mentioned, my motivation is also the hands-on 'project' aspect, learning more about my guns, and a minor kicker that it gets shipped directly to my door and not having to fool with or pay for the FFL transfer.

I think you are way over estimating the possible nefarious reasons for using 80 percents as a method for acquisition - I bet less than 10% are purchased for this reason.

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LordofWar's picture

Again, if you read my

Again, if you read my original comment, I stated (clearly) that the reason you purchased YOUR 80% is the only reason I would as well........

Somehow this got blown out of proportion......let me restate it in a simpler way.

90% of people OTHER THAN those wishing to create a custom lower, are most likely buying them to get around some legality.....

Again, if you want to buy one...thats great...I am super duper excited, and wish you the best......however, I see no point in anyone ELSE doing so.

God Bless those old days when people could have an opinion........its been a while....LOL

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