Light weight complete polymer AR-15 Lower - $169 (4-8 weeks backorder)

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Was $99, $109, $129, $149 - i have never owned a polymer lower but seems like a good deal for a cheaper build

Complete* Lower - ready to pin onto upper and fire!!!
Lightweight – weighs in at 1.6 lbs – That’s 7.2oz lighter than a standard lower
Lightest most durable composite polymer lower on the market today
Low maintenance / easy cleaning / scratch resistant
Accepts all standard MIL SPEC uppers and lower parts
Features the accu-group composite fire control system with 4.5lb trigger pull
Can accommodate any brand MIL SPEC LPK upgrade

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Caliber: 223/5.56

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I like them. I hear alot of

I like them.
I hear alot of badmouthing about poly lowers, fine, so be it.
I bought a plumcrazy lower AGES AGO, slapped it on a cmmg 5.56 upper for my then 15, 17, and 19 year old sons and sent literally THOUSANDS of both cheap russian and high dollar rounds through it. I have literally hammered jammed slugs as well as russian cases out of this thing with everything from cleaning rods to coat hangers and guess what.... THE LOWER HAS YET TO FAIL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. This rifle spent an entire winter in the back of my truck, laid in 3 inches of salt water in the boat and guess what, yea, you know. I may have cleaned this ar twice and the "cheap plastic piece of shit lower" is the only part of the gun that isnt gouged,rusted,dented or otherwise screwed up. Do everyone a favor, stop talking like some kind of god with your infinite wisdom and jumping on the kool guy band wagon. if you dont or havent owned and used one yourself. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Bet my life on it? DAMN STRAIGHT! Years ago my colt was my "good gun" now it sits in the closet and the guns with poly lowers are the ones that see use, we have 6 ar15's and 4 are poly. seriously guys, you cant break these things. besides look at glock, xdm, ruger,etc. your preference? maybe not, POS FOR FACT? hell no.

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Just checked my status and

Just checked my status and mine has shipped, I ordered it on 12/17/12 if that helps anyone

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Question: I have 3 stripped

Question: I have 3 stripped lowers coming in. In case of an assault weapon ban, would I be able to buy complete uppers and put an AR15 together or I have to buy them before the ban?

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Yup! Lowers are all you need.

Yup! Lowers are all you need. The receiver is the gun in the eyes of the law.. everything else is just incidental.

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but how are they going to

but how are they going to know if it is an assault rifle lower or not? will manufacturers be able to produce and sell complete uppers?

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I'm not exactly sure what you

I'm not exactly sure what you mean.. But ALL AR-15s manufactured prior to any potential laws will be grandfathered in.. at least that's how it's been in the past.
As for manufacturers yeah, they (presumably) can still manufacture complete uppers. The only part that's regulated is the lower, period. If the upper isn't attached to the lower it's just some hunks of expensive, funny shaped metal.

How will they know by looking at it if it's legal or not if there IS a ban? They won't. Gun owners basically act on the honor system - you'll never hear of a BATF agent going to the local shooting range and opening peoples AKM's up to make sure they're 922r compliant. The only way they could tell is by running the serial number to seen when it was registered.

And I'm sure you already know but the AR15 isn't an "assault rifle." There's no such thing as a semi-auto assault rifle.

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yep, we know what AR meansand

yep, we know what AR meansand the a semi-automatic AR-15 is just a semi-automatic rifle, but you are talking to the general public and the idiots running this country. a black gun w/ big mag = assault rifle in their eyes. and the ak-47 is considered an assault rifle, even though the ones we can purchase are only semi-auto. the same name goes along with the full auto AK. I wouldn't assume that a new ban would be just like the old bans. for instance, you may need to carry proof of receipts that you purchased all main parts before a ban. who knows how this will work next...

anyways, i purchased 4 of these lowers before the price hike. we shall see how long it taked to get them shipped.

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your stripped lower will

your stripped lower will always be looked at as an assault weapon lower. its the pistol grip that freaks out anti-gunners.

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depending on how a ban will

depending on how a ban will be stated, you MAY have to have a complete rifle assembled before the ban is put in place, and have proof that you purchased the upper and lower before the ban, and have receipts. do not assume that what is coming will be the same as the past. it may only have to do with serial numbers of the product related to when it was manufactured. It also could be worse. hopefully all items people are scrambling to purchase now will be grandfathered into a future ban. It COULD be as bad as an all-out ban on a list of semiautomatic weapons, which means you would legally have to turn them in. In that case, there will be some revolution going on in parts of the USA.

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They been steady in raising

They been steady in raising prices in last week. Pretty sorry if you ask me to gouge the American gun owner just cause they can. I was fixing to purchase 3 but screw that now. Keep on they will end up like Cheaper than Dirt.

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They're raising their price

They're raising their price faster than they can keep up with. Right now the front page of their website still advertises the lower as $109.99 but it's actually 169.99 on the ordering page (unless they raised it again since I looked at it). I guess they're too busy deleting the negative comments from their Facebook page to keep up with their own site.

I was all set to buy one of these at 99. Was a bit bummed when it went to 110 but figured thats what I get for taking a while to get the FFL info together. My jaw dropped today when I went to buy. Thanks but it's now a pass.

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Wow. ACTUAL price gouging..

Wow. ACTUAL price gouging.. you don't see that much anymore.. pretty disgusting any way you look at it.

Congrats NFA, you officially suck. Pretty sure the ATI OMNI's are made by a different company.. I'd recommend them.

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Charging $10 for a bottle of

Charging $10 for a bottle of water after a hurricane, Price gouging.

Raising the price of a luxury good during active market, capitalism.

Think of your local store that puts up AR-15's, yea, they will money more money in the short term, but in the near to middle term, the supply chain is BARE. No wholesaler has anything, it's not just high demand products, all Glock, Sig, AR brands etc, are now allocation items. LSG's are gonna be begging for product for the next 3+ months to sell so they can cover overhead. They extra profit they make on sales today is going to have to sustain overhead and payroll untill the supply chain catches up. Most stores dont have additional revenue streams to live off like a Dicks, Bass Pro Shop or Wal-Mart.

TL:DR - Capitalism is great till you raise prices on guns then everyone claims gouging, but it's the only way the LSG's are going to be able to eat for the coming months w/o product to sell.

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Unless I'm misunderstanding

Unless I'm misunderstanding something he said they raised the price POST-purchase.. "The company has raised the price on us 6 times."
Thanks for the economics lesson though :)

As for what you said: I didn't understand some of it, but I think I agree.. but you mentioned resellers - you know this is the manufacturers website right?
Furthermore if there IS a ban implemented that effects these guys, these will be the last lowers they sell for a decade or so.

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Changing the price after you

Changing the price after you order isn't what I was referring to, but that can happen, I've seen it happen in raw material or semi-processed material supply chains at work before though.

There were AR-15's during the last AWB, they just didnt have Bayo lugs and threaded barrels/flash suppressors. Manufactures found a way, much like the bad ass grip that people in CA use to eliminate the "pistol" grip evil feature and how you get a specific Colt AR-15 in NJ that isnt an AR under their named ban. Short of a complete semi-auto ban there will still be a market for lowers in one guise or another.

My statements on gouging is about prices as a whole regarding guns and accessories. Guns are not food, water, or gas after a natural disaster. They are a luxury item and are driven by market forces. Right now "High net work individuals" are running the market, thus P-mags are $50-75 each and AR's that were $1300 a week ago are $2600+, and you cant find ammo in most places. Dealers with guns have to get market price as they will probably not be able to get more guns in to sell for weeks if not months. How are they to stay in business on the small margins that guns have. To sell at last weeks prices, even if you sell everything you have is to sign your own death warrent. You wont make enough from those sales to make it through the times ahead when you have to beg a wholesaler to send you product, just like every other store in the US.

It's dirty and ugly, but that's what capitalism is sometimes.

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Wow!! Do You work for these

Wow!!
Do You work for these people?
Price gouging is price gouging. as far as the ......little profit margin....on guns. WOW ARE YOU MISINFORMED. Alchahol.tobacco and firearms are not only the highest taxed items in this country but also have the highest mark up. do your research friend. Most if not ALL FIREARM dealers have been on back order YEARS BEFORE KING OBAMA's proposed tyranny. Guns have allways sold and will allways sell. The guy suppliers have never had nor will they ever have trouble peddling their wares. No brother, gouging is just another example of our fine american brothers taking advantage of us simply because they can. Go all mighty dollar.

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Yup, people don't seem to

Yup, people don't seem to understand that when demand outgrows supply, price *should* increase to keep demand in check with the supply.

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Enjoy your over priced

Enjoy your over priced plastic pos lower. Meanwhile most of us will stick my manufacturers and vendors who aren't gouging. I

We understand supply and demand but companies should also understand that the buying public can be fickle. gun owners will remember this and after the craze, new frontier, most of the gun buying people Know will forever bad mouth new frontier.

You haven't seen midway or spikes raise their prices 60% its because those companies are managed by people who realize reputation and name branding is important.

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Spikes has been on 8-12 month

Spikes has been on 8-12 month backorder on stuff for over 2 years. Midway and Brownells have to play nice, because they dont go through the wholesale channels on many things, they buy direct discount from the manufacture. Magpul put out a statement that they dont condone the price hikes, but they sell product direct and to wholesale and cant control the prices after that point. The wholesalers have ELIMINATED discounting for allocation items, which is now probably 30-40% of their catalog. Glock, Sig, S&W, Colt, Magpul, Lancer, Surfire can now COST the dealer more than what they were selling the items for last week. Are they supposed to sell for a loss, and if they can't raise prices to have enough profit to last through this shortage, it doesn't even matter if they sell everything at 10% profit, they will shut their doors when they can't pay rent, insurance, employees, etc.

You have no understanding of business and the current market.

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I'm aware of the spikes

I'm aware of the spikes backorder issue. However, major retailers place restocking backorders every month. meaning they get shipments (small shipments) every month.

I own a small business in this industry, fool. DO YOU? I'm avoiding gouging my customers because after this blows over, anyone I gouged probably won't return. I have local, repeat customers. My bread and butter is repeat customers who spend a couple grand on components in one transaction, then recommend their friends to shop my way, which they do. The last thing I'm going to do as a small buis owner is gouge my customers. I'd just rather close up shop. Oh, and by the way, a lot of dealers ARE the issue here. Sending their employees around at gun shows with back packs FULL of pmags for $50 each so the rip-off is anonymous. Then idiots are buying those mags, fueling the dealers to further hog all the distributor incoming stock so they can run 4x profit for as long as the buying public would tolerate it. Bro, I do understand supply demand, but what we have here is a phenomena caused by unlicensed people buying items to flip, illegally, without an FFL, or a sales tax license, or without paying income tax. It's also got individuals taking illegal profits at the expense of everyone else trying to play by the rules. Another trick to "capitalism" is that buyers choose where to spend their money. We buyers will stand buy and BAN the gougers from future sales where possible. The short term gains realized by companies like CTD, this company, and others will be hopefully overshadowed by a huge loss in future sales due to a drop in customer base.

Buy this POS lower for $170 plus tax or shipping, plus FFL. I, on the otherhand, will shop elsehwere for my parts. oh, and BTW, I do own one of these items and it's a POS for $170. For $109, sure as a 22LR AR platform, but nothing I would bet my life on.

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Lesson One, look up price

Lesson One, look up price gouging, the present situation does not apply as we are talking about luxury items, not essential goods.

Two, if you are indeed in this "industry" than you know the wholesalers are bare, and will continue to be so for the near future. Discounting for product has been suspended. The brands I have mentoned have been set to allocation items, if you can live on the meager profit margins with little stock coming in for the next 3-6 months then more power to you, most LSG's dont have the additional revenue streams to last a prolonged shortage w/o the additional revenue of the higher prices. As far as falling on your sword to be a nice guy, I guess if that's your feelings about business, I can't say they are wrong, stupid, but your life

PS, poly lowers are indeed shit. My comments on this are market driven in nature and to try to get people to stop calling making a profit a "cilp" when it is clearly a magazine, Not gouging, but capitalism.

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I am indeed in this

I am indeed in this "industry" and have been since 2008 as a company (non FFL), paying taxes on my income, including sales tax to the state. You say that your comments are in general to the market. My comment is specific to this item, so please stop with your vague generalities if that's what you're doing. New Frontier shot themselves in the foot by raising their MSRP from 109.99 to 169.99. on top of that, they have NO STOCK, they raised their price on future orders. I canceled the back order I had with my FFL for one more piece. See, that's capitalism at work too. It's not "supply/demand", it's consumer based decisions affecting the market. Over price your product and you won't have any consumers to purchase that product regardless of price.

At this point in time, I'm saving my pmags for repeat customers, or new given the quantity of the purchase, at normal markup (modest) as an intensive to purchase items that are not being horded. You see, even people who disagree with your thinking that blind 40% price increases are OK, can find a capitalistic solution to this problem. Call me stupid all you want. I'm in this for the long haul and 20 years from now I won't have repeat business if I fuk my customers over bro.

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I have 15 years of experiance

I have 15 years of experiance in purchasing and running a business 10 of them in manufacturing. My dad has 35 years experiance in manufacture and business. We have survived one of the worst manufacturing markets either of us have ever seen, we also whet through one of the best boom markets in 04-06. Changing prices after order DOES HAPPEN, it's never pretty when it does, most of the time it's the person doing the raising as a money grab, they have product you need to keep your business going, you either pay or they have 10 guys waiting behind you that yes please will have it at that price. We can argue the abstract of S&D and Capitalism and fixed markets, fixed producting, how goverment can affect markets. I'm talking about the applied, real world. Right now flippers and backpack dealers are running the market. Untill that changes your gonna see what is happening now, untill the money dries up on higher prices and the market crashes or other outside forces change the current dynamics, this is our reality.

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Who hasn't survived one of

Who hasn't survived one of the worst manufacturing markets either of us have ever seen? I've been in business for 20 years and have seen a lot of micro/macro economic environments from the 1990 recession, the oil at $28/bll, to the 1999 dot com boom.bust, post 911 fiasco, 2008 bank fueled recession, and now this fiscal cliff. We're all in this together bro.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

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Now boys, quit bickering.

Now boys, quit bickering. I'll sort this whole thing out.

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Fine, sell me a POS polymer

Fine, sell me a POS polymer lower for $109.95. Until then STFU "god". notice the lower "g" in "god" as you are not the "god" as you would project yourself to be. Seems to me you committed one of the cardinal sins. good luck burning in hell lolz.

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lighten up, Francis.

lighten up, Francis.

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I'm actually kind of

I'm actually kind of impressed - this is the longest string of replies I think I've ever seen on here:).. It looks like a set of angry stairs.

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love it DoctorChops. Now

love it DoctorChops. Now let's go out and find us some genuine "slickguns" deals? lolz

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Another price jacking

Another price jacking company. We ordered 15 of these lowers for 99.00. The company has raised the price on us 6 times. It went 99 to 109 to 129 to 149 and today they are 169. I don't know about you but I can still find polymer lowers for 40 to 50 dollars. This lower will not last like the aluminum or billet lowers. Plum crazy lowers sucked and these look like they suck also. Don't waste your time its totally not worth what they are asking for it.

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They are junk at the $169

They are junk at the $169 price point.

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And now, on top of that they

And now, on top of that they they'll forever be known as the assholes that almost doubled their prices when they finally found people that wanted to buy their lowers.

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Apparently New Frontier is

Apparently New Frontier is Plum Crazy. so these are the same thing just rebadged with their new name.

From their site.
PCF Official Website Written by Administrator Wednesday, 06 October 2010 17:00

Welcome

·If you're confused because you were looking forPlumCrazy Firearms,don't be -·you're in the right place; we·are just·adding a variance to our licence. Our composite lowers will carry the new branding and maintain the high level of quality you've come to expect from our products. We wil,l however, be phasing out the Plumcrazy branded lowers, so get them while you can! So what's the reason for the branding change?Well, as we have more law enforcement and military wanting to use our products, having "PlumCrazy" on the side of the magwell may not be the best· idea......, that's it -·no conspiracy or anything, just a simple business decision that allows us to further broaden our market place. What's this change mean to you? Well, nothing unless you just can't live without·seeing "Plumcrazy" on your lower. We plan to maintain the same price point as before, and·continue to provide you with·the best customer service in the industry. Our pledge and our goals remain unwaivering: bring the highest quality product we can to the market and make it affordable to anyone who can legally own it! Just because the economy sucks doesn't mean that your AR 15·has·too as well!

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A polymer lower that is

A polymer lower that is cheaper than Plum Crazy? Sweet. Fair shipping price, about $11 for 1 or $12 for 2. Pretty soon I will be able to build a complete AR for under $450 :). thanks for sharing

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yes, these look pretty good.

yes, these look pretty good. I have heard good things about Plum Crazy lowers too. I guess if they started making 1911's with polymer frames this should do just fine...

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Good lower, paired with 5.45

Good lower, paired with 5.45 upper for as my beater AR. So far proving durable. I've put maybe... 2.5k rds thru it to date. In for another.

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