Polish Radom P64 Pistol - 9x18 caliber - Good - Very Good - $179.99

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Famous Polish quality in a P-64 Makarov Pistol. 9x18 caliber, 6 shot, semi-automatic. Comes with 2 mags. These are in good to very good condition. Mechanically they are all fine and they all seem to have nice bores, but some will have more holster wear than others and you can expect a certain degree of the bluing to be rubbed off, especially on the sharp edges. In the worst case,you should expect 70 % to 80 % blue and you may also see a few light scatches. This is actually nit picking our own product because overall this is a very nice lot. Most of the wear we are seeing is right on the front edges of the slides where they have gone in and out of leather holster. No pitting or heavy grease, these are clean and ready to fire.

The remaining pistols we have in this current batch are all very consistant and as such we are not offering a hand select option at this time.
We simply don't think there is enough difference between the individual pistols to justify the additional charge.

Note - Each pistol comes with 2 mags, however, please know that some of the secondary mags may have some minor cosmetic damage or chipping in the polymer floor plate. One good mag guaranteed with each pistol, please consider second mag as just thrown in (though we do believe it will be functional). They are As-Is. We do not warranty for these mags.

Historic Polish P64 pistol manufactured in the famous Radom Plant, semi-automatic, includes two 6rd mag, 9x18 caliber,
Some of these are a little better and some are a little worse but they average NRA Surplus Good condition.

This is the last of them, so buy one while you still can.

Product Specs
9x18 caliber
6 shot
semi-automatic
2-6rd mags
Caliber 9x18
Item #:HGNPOL-P64

Category: Handguns
Caliber: 9x18mm
UPC: 787450073647
MPN: HG1889G
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Mine was just delivered today

Mine was just delivered today (6/10/15) and is in very good condition. A little bit of holster wear, as expected, but a solid corrosion free pistol. Very happy with Classic Arms and my dealings with this purchase. Pics here http://imgur.com/a/PD0r8

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Mine had surface rust, and an

Mine had surface rust, and an extremely large import mark. Just did not feel like the price charged.

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Sorry to hear. I recently

Sorry to hear. I recently picked up one of the Southern Ohio excellent condition ones for $249. Description below. Very happy with it but I will admit I dont recall the size of import mark and not at home to check. Essentially looks new. I have been scammed by classic a couple times. Never buy from them again. Although, their description is kind of crappy. I would never buy after reading that description. Basically, they seem like they are covering their bases.

The P64 is a Walther PPK style compact pistol produced for military and police forces. This semi-auto has chrome bore, decocking safety, all steel constuction, loaded chamber indicator and 2-6rd magazines. Excellent condition 9x18 makarov caliber pistols.
• 9X18 Makarov
• 3.33” BBL / 6.3 OAL
• Chrome Bore
• Loaded Chamber Indicator
• SA / DA
• Magazine:
- 2-6rd Total
(1 matching, 1 extra)
• Accessories:
- Used Holster
- Cleaning Rod

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Yes, after that I went to

Yes, after that I went to Southern Ohio and got one of their 92s models. Looks brand new. Might get a P64 if I take a bath on the old one. Not going back to classic.

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Dang.. I want a 92s.. Got an

Dang.. I want a 92s.. Got an FFL? I only have C&R :(

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No more hand select? That

No more hand select? That probably means the "Very good" are gone. Kudos to Classic. Other less credible sellers would probably pocket the hand select fee and ship the best of what remains.

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I know AIM and J&G both turn

I know AIM and J&G both turn off the hand pick function once the hand picks are sold. They are separated when the shipment comes in. They are not hand picking on the spot. That system doesn't actually make sense. AIM for example considers certain features when choosing hand pick.. For example, back when mosins were a dime a dozen, "Tula" or matching might be a hand pick reason.. I am sure they consider the condition too.
Sometimes when new shipments come in, there are nothing worth calling a hand pick!. ;)

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Good to know. Very often you

Good to know. Very often you read they hand pick the "best of 5" which implies they are doing it on the fly. That's no guarantee that you'll get a nice piece. Descriptions like this seem like weasel words to me.

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Go with AIM.

Go with AIM.

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Or spend $200. for a new

Or spend $200. for a new Zastava M series pistol & shoot 9mm Luger

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Yes but thats not C&R

Yes but thats not C&R eligible. So You'll be spending anywhere from 215-225.

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If you buy this dont expect a

If you buy this dont expect a collectors piece. Rather a decent shooter with some holster wear and the possibility of plumbed slide.

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Yeah I agree. $150 is what

Yeah I agree. $150 is what these need to be at for the grade.

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For $219 + shipping it's

For $219 + shipping it's getting near to the price of much better guns. At $150 I'll take one.

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I understand you guy's

I understand you guy's concern and I agree that the description doesn't jive and smells fishy.

However, from what I've seen of MANY examples of these pistols which have been imported in recent years, I think the condition rating here applies to ONLY cosmetic condition. You're not going to see any mechanical issues, probably not any rust, should have a good bore, and the rating will probably apply only to cosmetic wear on the pistol.

I am guessing these last ones just have a ton of holster wear and are a bit ugly, but I would bet that even the most ugly will still work fine and be a nice shooter. So, it comes down to whether you think the price is worth getting a functional, yet ugly example.

I have an ugly one, I love it. I wish I would have gotten in on the perfect ones years ago that were super cheap...

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I got one of these last week.

I got one of these last week. Here is my video review. Cosmetically there is a lot of wear - I would say on the bottom of the "good" scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BGdqgC2VYE

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That is terrible! How in

That is terrible! How in their right minds can they say that looks "NRA GOOD"???

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that is the status quo for

that is the status quo for classic arms

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Wow, that looks like crap!

Wow, that looks like crap! Thanks for the review. Definitely should not be more than the M70a. How'd it shoot?

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I try to stay completely

I try to stay completely clear of "fishy" firearms in only because the buyer typically takes it hard on the chin if his purchase turns out to be junk.

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I agree for the most part,

I agree for the most part, however I for one would have jumped on this deal months ago. I had waited and waited for these things to show back up at places like SOG and Classic. A year or more went by, so I went to gunbroker.

I paid 20 bucks more than this for one that's a little ugly, but mechanically perfect. Just like I bet these are.

In the C&R/Surplus game, you win some, you lose some...

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I echo One Round Shy's

I echo One Round Shy's concern about the language in Classic's advertisement. If this batch of pistols is truly "Good to Very Good," then by definition the average condition should fall somewhere between "Good" and "Very Good."

Stating within the same ad that the batch averages "NRA Surplus Good Condition" implies that some number of individual pistols are below Surplus Good, some would be considered Surplus Good, and some are better than Surplus Good. Assuming the true range falls one level below Good and one level above, this means the batch cannot honestly be advertised as "Good to Very Good." Using the NRA Condition Standards, a more honest ad would rate the pistols as Fair to Very Good -- assuming there are any examples that would truly warrant the higher rating.

To put this all in perspective, here are the NRA standards, as I have found them published on the internet:

VERY GOOD: All original parts; none to 30% original finish; original metal surfaces smooth with all edges sharp; clear lettering, numerals and design on metal; wood slightly scratched or bruised; bore disregarded for collectors firearms.

GOOD: Some minor replacement parts; metal smoothly rusted or lightly pitted in places, cleaned or re-blued; principal letters, numerals and design on metal legible; wood refinished, scratched bruised or minor cracks repaired; in good working order.

FAIR: Some major parts replaced; minor replacement parts may be required; metal rusted, may be lightly pitted all over, vigorously cleaned or re-blued; rounded edges of metal and wood; principal lettering, numerals and design on metal partly obliterated; wood scratched, bruised, cracked or repaired where broken; in fair working order or can be easily repaired and placed in working order.

Now let's revisit another statement in the company's advertisement:

"The remaining pistols we have in this current batch are all very consistant (sic) and as such we are not offering a hand select option at this time.
We simply don't think there is enough difference between the individual pistols to justify the additional charge. "

To me, there is a huge difference between NRA Fair and NRA Very Good. My guess is that if Classic sees little difference in condition from pistol to pistol, ALL of this batch lies at one end or the other. The cynic in me says it's somewhere closer to this description:

"Some major parts replaced; minor replacement parts may be required; metal rusted, may be lightly pitted all over, vigorously cleaned or re-blued; rounded edges of metal and wood; principal lettering, numerals and design on metal partly obliterated; wood scratched, bruised, cracked or repaired where broken; in fair working order or can be easily repaired and placed in working order."

Caveat emptor.

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From Classic's ad: "These are

From Classic's ad:

"These are in good to very good condition."

"Some of these are a little better and some are a little worse but they average NRA Surplus Good condition."

Buyer beware: These two different statements from the same ad are not consistent with one another. Moreover, the second statement (that, by definition, 1/2 of these pistols are worse than their AVERAGE rating of NRA Surplus "Good") means that you have a good chance of receiving one of these pistols that is only in "Fair" condition.

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This is spot on. Mine was at

This is spot on. Mine was at the most "fair". After a call to see if they would fix it, I was told they were not able to help. These are not very nice pistols.

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anyone ever purchase one of

anyone ever purchase one of these? I am looking into purchasing one.

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I called to buy, but they

I called to buy, but they would not honor this ad. They said they don't advertise here. Price is $189.95. I'm leaning toward jgsales.com for $149 without the spare mag and holster.

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