Polish PPS-43C Pistol 9mm Variation with two - 35rd mag - $299.99

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Looks like fun to me, Brutus' Description, This is one cool cat . Original Polish PPS-43C in a semi-auto version. 9mm caliber, considered a pistol due to overall length. Comes with two - 35rd mags. The PPS-43C (Pistolet-Pulemet Sudaeva, model of 1943 = Sudaev SMG) was born as an answer to the need for a weapon that is more compact and mobile than the PPSh-41, then in use by the Soviet Army. The PPSh-41 was somewhat too long to be used by tank crews and mobile recon groups and paratroopers, so late in 1941, the Red Army issued a request for a new more compact sub machine gun (SMG). The designer Sudaev initially designed his new SMG in 1942, and it was adopted under the designation of PPS-42. The next year he refined the design, and this final model was designated as the PPS-43. This model was manufactured in significant numbers (nearly two million PPS-43 weapons were manufactured between 1943 and 1946). The PPS-43 is sometimes referred to as the best SMG of World War II. After WWII, it was widely exported to pro-Soviet regimes around the world, and widely copied. This historical firearm has been re-designed to shoot from a closed bolt position. The safety is located at the front of the trigger guard. The receiver and barrel shroud are made from stamped steel. The rear sight is an L-shaped flip type and is marked for 100 and 200 meters, the front sight is a fixed blade type. The barrel is equipped with a simple muzzle brake. This firearm is an ATF approved pistol. The stock has no function and is permanently fixed in its folded position.

Since adding this pistol to our product line in mid 2011 it has consistently been one of our best sellers and has a minimal return rate. This pistol in the 9mm alternative can only make it more popular. This pistol is manufactured at the famed Radom Plant in Poland.

All parts and components are new and Polish made.

Again, The folding stock is not functional. The mechanism is disabled and it has been welded in place.

Cannot be sold to California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, New York, New Jersey, or Hawaii due to State Law Firearm Restrictions.

Item #:HGNPOL-PPS43C-9MM

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Anybody have a preferred 9mm

Anybody have a preferred 9mm ammo that runs best or a good link to a discussion of it?

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Buy with caution.....I had

Buy with caution.....I had one of these chambered in 9mm fire out of battery causing some slight burns on my left hand. It turns out that the spent case would not eject and get hung up between the new cartridge and bolt and the top of the receiver. The gun was sent back to IO for warranty work, they opened up the ejection port and said the problem was remedied, so we took it to the range while wearing a welding glove on my left hand and had 4 spent cases get hung up in the same manner within 2 magazines. If I wasn't stopping every time to check the chamber I would have had more out of battery discharges for sure.

On another note, my buddy who owns the gun told me classic is taking the gun back, refunding his money and has been easy to deal with throughout this ordeal. Guns are a piece of machinery and every now and then someone gets a lemon so this case may be unique...however I would keep an eye out for this issue should you decide to buy one.

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Hmm, that sounds like what I

Hmm, that sounds like what I had with mine--but I blamed it on the rupture on the aluminum cases on the ammo I was shooting. Took a week for the abrasions on my hand to heal. And then the front sight popped off.

Is the problem the extractor? Or the ejection port is poorly located or not large enough? Maybe I need to contact them.

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The safety on these was

The safety on these was non-existing. From what my dad shared, if anyone dropped a PPS41 with a drum, on a hard floor, it was automatically hit the deck 'till it was done. Open bolt slam fire kinda deal.

These do look like fun, in an MP40 kind of way. Any Suomis still around? Those wouldn't drop below $400.

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Suomi M31 is the next object

Suomi M31 is the next object of my 9mm SMG fetish desires. Looked at one recently at my LGS and the trigger weight was INSANELY high. The gun weighs approx 11-12 pounds (and you feel every last one with that big fat barrel and shroud sticking out there) and I could hold and bounce that gun by just the trigger and it would not go off. It easily was 15#'s or more. I need to read up on what you can get that down to before I buy. Also the charging handle was a real un-ergonomic beast to boot.

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Sounds like WWII ingenuity,

Sounds like WWII ingenuity, just unfinished design. Conversation piece for sure.

Did the Mac10/suomi upper ever catch on?

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I like the idea of buying

I like the idea of buying something banned in 7 leftist/marxist states. Bloomberg and Shannon Watts can go Fvck off and keep waving the bloody shirt while standing on the graves of kids. In the meantime I'm going on a 2 year buying binge while the getting is good.

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Who imported these? Also

Who imported these? Also where is the cheapest place to pick up extra mags. Thanks

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I think these were imported

I think these were imported by Inter Ordnance. Classic Firearms has the 9mm magazines in stock for $30, or about double what the 7.62x25 magazines are. That's about the cheapest I've seen (and one of the few places I've seen them, aside from Gun Broker).

See:
https://www.classicfirearms.com/35-rd-mag-for-polish-pps-43c-9mm-pistol

The 9mm version has a spacer to shorter the magazine front-to-back internal size, and also has the metal follower cut and welded to fit the new inside size due to the spacer. Some owners report using the 7.62x25 magazines with 9mm just fine, but I haven't tried that.

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I picked one up. For that

I picked one up. For that price if it goes boom I don't care. You Tube videos look like it's fun to shoot.

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Gents, I have a few stock

Gents, I have a few stock release kits left if anyone is interested.....
Please see my post below.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=450629163

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WOuld you happen to have

WOuld you happen to have another kit?

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Yes, I'll have more kits

Yes, I'll have more kits posted next week.

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I'm drawn to this like a moth

I'm drawn to this like a moth to a flame. Have a bad fetish for 9mm SMGs. Even though I read a bunch of problems with these (more so with the 7.62 out of battery) I still dream that I will be lucky and get a good one. Either that or I will be able to find the magic ammo that will make it run perfect.

I hear that Classic has a habit of deleting negative reviews so the ratings are pretty much voided. My latest thought process is convincing myself that I wouldn't really lose much on a $300 gun if it was a total turkey. I could always sell it on GB for $250 if not certainly $200.

It's calling me....I hear it......Goooobbbbeeerrrr........Goober....

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But it! They are a blast to

But it! They are a blast to shoot!

However, I recommend a 30-inch bag instead of the 25-inch one that comes with the Classic Firearms Shooter's Kit. The PPS will fit into a 25-inch bag, but barely--and only if you position it just right. I have "ROMA GNA 30" bags for both of my PPS's and use the 25-inch bag from the shooter's kit for my Yugo PAP M92 AK-47 pistol, which is a much better match for the 25-incher.

You KNOW you want one! :) And you can't beat the price.

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I could resist no longer.

I could resist no longer. In transit to my FFL.

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Blackhawk Sportster Modular

Blackhawk Sportster Modular Case

https://flic.kr/p/q2pwjT

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Has anyone been able to

Has anyone been able to determine the difference between 9mm PPS mags and 7.62x25 PPS mags? I have one of each PPS-43 from Classic Firearms and cannot tell the difference between the magazines.

One magazine for my 7.62x25 PPS jammed up tight, seemingly because the rounds were too long, so maybe it was supposed to have been 9mm? (I didn't have my 9mm yet at the time, so I'm sure I didn't just mix them up.)

I plan to measure all of the parts of the magazine with a caliper to check for differences, but I'm wondering if they just ship the same magazines for both calibers.

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The 9mm converted mags have a

The 9mm converted mags have a piece of black plastic running along the inside of the mag and the follower has been cut down. The stock 7.62 mags (unconverted) work better in my 9mm than the converted ones, though the 9mm rounds do have quite a bit of wiggle room in the unconverted mags - but that doesn't seem to be an issue.

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Awesome, thanks for the info.

Awesome, thanks for the info. I will check my 9mm mags for that. I'm quite confident that the one that is jamming for 7.62x25 will work fine in the 9mm, though.

Thanks!

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I wrote: "I'm quite confident

I wrote: "I'm quite confident that the one that is jamming for 7.62x25 will work fine in the 9mm, though."

As it turns out, that magazine was bad. I don't recall if I got it from Classic Firearms or Centerfire Systems, but it definitely jams badly. It doesn't position rounds correctly. That's OK, tho, because I have about 20 mags between my two PPS's. I can probably fix it. The lips look too close together.

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I just wish this thing had

I just wish this thing had styling that wasn't from a 1950's russian bunker. Oof.

I don't usually hold ugly guns' looks against them (they all feel good in the dark - heyoo!!!) but MAN!

That thing is uuu-gaa-lee!

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LOL, I kinda think you are

LOL, I kinda think you are doing some friendly trolling....The 1950's Russian bunker look is the main reason I'm buying it.

For the unaware, the PPS43 has a great story in that it actually was born and manufactured in a factory in Staligrad during the the Nazi siege. The PPS43's were literally taken off the end of the manufacturing line and handed to Russian soldiers to run out the door and kill Nazi scum with. Great history, plenty of websites that details it.

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Haha, I like it. I think

Haha, I like it. I think that's part of the appeal. It's a big ugly gun for a pistol, though, for sure, and half of the gun's length is wasted on the action, not the barrel. It's not light weight, either.

If you buy the kit yourself and create your own receiver, you can change the styling more to your liking. That's what I'm doing, although I also own two of these PPS's from Classic Firearms already. (I'm also converting the one I'm building to a rifle, which I think better fits this gun design anyway.)

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I thought about converting

I thought about converting one to a rifle myself.I'm partial to the 7.62x25 .myself.Which caliber is more reliable ?

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Easier to SBR in my opinion .

Easier to SBR in my opinion . I just finished SBRing mine. I created a new button release kit that doesn't require the purchase of a parts kit to activate your stock.
See my write-up here.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_51/433589_.html&page=1&anc=4161428#i4161428

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Very cool. I'll keep that for

Very cool. I'll keep that for reference. I can still SBR my other two PPS's. LOL.

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Remember people, it is

Remember people, it is illegal for you to attempt to get the stock on this to function OR to put a stock on it. The barrel length is for a pistol, not a rifle, and any thoughts of putting a stock on this without being completely familiar with the rules and regulations may end extremely badly for you. This is a pistol length, do not think this is a stable rifle. Very neat if you want this! Some ranges do not allow these firearms so you may want to call them and check with them first, since it is technically a pistol and not a rifle.

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But of course! I ordered the

But of course!

I ordered the PPS-43 kit from Centerfire Systems, also here on SlickGuns, and I'm purchasing a 16-inch barrel for it today. I'll have to build my own receiver for it, but once I do that I CAN enable the folding stock.

That will give me 3 working PPS's, since I have a PPS-43 pistol in both 7.62x25 and 9mm.

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Can you share where you're

Can you share where you're getting the barrel from?

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Sure. I got the info from the

Sure. I got the info from the Weapons Guild forum. You have to be a member to view posts, though.

http://www.weaponsguild.com/forum/index.php?topic=45289.0

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I bought one of these in

I bought one of these in 7.62x25 from Classic Firearms a few months back. Very fun to shoot, but I wished I had gotten the 9mm version sometimes because of ammo price. Now that Classic has the 9mm version for $299, I don't think I can resist. I'm down for another one.

(BTW, I don't care for the 25-inch bag they sell separately as a shooter kit. I got one, but it fits my Yugo M92 PAP AK-47 better, so I swapped bags with it. I had a Roma GNA 30 for it and the 30-inch fits the PPS-43C better. The 25-incher is REALLy tight for the PPS.)

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How is the stock permanently

How is the stock permanently attached?

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The newer version shipping

The newer version shipping now has a hole in the top of the receiver that is smaller than the release button. The top of the release button is also turned down. Enough of the release button still protrudes through the top of the receiver but it is not functional because it cannot obviously push through the smaller hole in the top of receiver preventing the stock from releasing.

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I've read it also does not

I've read it also does not include the spring to release the stock. It is NOT welded, as some say, as far as I can determine.

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Correct it does not ship with

Correct it does not ship with the spring.

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I got one in 9mm about 5 mos

I got one in 9mm about 5 mos ago. Range toy is fun but has issues. Ejection issues- some spent casings not exiting, piling up in reciever. Maybe it's me but mine also does what seems to be a 2 rd burst occasionally,which I'm diggin. Could be trigger issue? Could be operator issue. I like the weapon, paid 399, and hopeful W/time and ammo selection I can find what it really likes. Been a while since I fired it, maybe it needs steel cased. Planning some range trips soon with it for troubleshooting. Mine came with 2-35rd mags. one seems to have issues, but have seen reports the 7.62 mags(available and inexpensive) will run 9mm just fine.

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Be careful with those double

Be careful with those double fires. It could be a slamfire (somebody with some technical knowledge of the firearm should pipe in here if this isn't the case) but either way, its not a "fun" thing. You could run the risk of an out-of-battery ignition - A VERY BAD THING.

Did yours come with cosmoline on it? A lot of times with the surplus firearms they have cosmoline in literally every part of the gun, and you need to clean it super thoroughly before taking it out.

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Neither of my PPS-43's from

Neither of my PPS-43's from Classic Firearms came with cosmoline, but they did come heavily oiled. The oil seems to be a bit thicker than regular gun oil, too, but maybe it's just dried out a little.

Cosmoline has only been on my guns that I received that were fairly old and in used condition. These PPS's are new production guns.

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I ran my 9mm with 7.62 mags

I ran my 9mm with 7.62 mags and it worked fine. One glitched with just a few rounds left in it. I attributed that to just what it is, a surplus mag with a worn spring.

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You can get this in 9MM from

You can get this in 9MM from Royal Tiger for $299.. No reason for the markup over the 7.62 version.

http://www.royaltigerimports.com/product-p/poli0013.htm

I like Classic, but they are higher on that, and the VZ2008 they are higher by $100 versus PSA.

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OTOH, people should read the

OTOH, people should read the horrible reviews of Golden Tiger that are many and then decide if that is a good choice. If you have a problem with GT you are in for a lot of heartache. At least with Classic you possibly have an advocate for your issues.

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I always read reviews from

I always read reviews from companies I don't know when buying guns. Gun forums all over the Internet can tell you the reputation of these places. Classic has my vote over some of these less-known ones. I've had really good luck with Classic. I got my PPS43 in 9mm for $299 from Classic. Can't beat it. (I got my 7.62x25 PPS also from them and for more than that!)

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I bought mine through Royal

I bought mine through Royal too and just test fired it this past weekend. I also just finished filling out my SBR form 1 application.
I had this in 7.62 but broomed it when the cheap surplus ammo dried up.

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I'm suprised so many down

I'm suprised so many down votes on this one. Have you guys seen the price of 7.62x25 lately? Its crazy!

I for one welcome our new 9mm overlords.

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My dad priced having his

My dad priced having his converted and it would cost a little under 200 when it already cost 300 for the gun, so im with you this is a good deal

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Glad to see this in 9mm.

Glad to see this in 9mm. Should be a hell of lot cheaper to blast away at rocks, bottles, and other evil junque at the tin-can alley range... Sweet!

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